# Lula da Silva birth chart: disputed date of birth

> Lula da Silva's birth chart for October 27, 1945, Pernambuco: the certificate says October 6, the time is unknown, rated XX, cast for noon without houses.

URL: https://kb.astroway.info/en/people/lula-da-silva

Birth data: 1945-10-27, unknown, Vargem Comprida, Caetés (then a district of Garanhuns), Pernambuco, Brazil; Rodden rating XX.

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was born in Vargem Comprida, then a district of Garanhuns and now part of the Caetés municipality in the state of Pernambuco. He went on to lead a metalworkers' union and be elected President of Brazil in 2002, 2006 and 2022. He celebrates his birthday on October 27, 1945, but even that date is in question.

## What is known and what is not

There are two birth dates, and they give different Sun signs:

- October 27, 1945: the date Lula himself gives. According to the PT, his mother always congratulated him on the 27th. Wikidata, CNN and Astro-Databank use it as the main date;
- October 6, 1945: the date on the birth certificate. The family says the children were registered together in Santos after the move there in 1952. The Instituto Lula, in a post of October 27, 2021, calls the date a clerk's mistake; his brother Frei Chico says their mother, intimidated by the clerk, got the dates mixed up;
- October 5, 1945, 22:00: a registry entry that the collector Sy Scholfield supplied to Astro-Databank. Astro-Databank says it was registered in 1972, not in the early 1950s as the family recalls. No copy has been published.

The Sun enters Scorpio around October 23-24. On October 27 it stands at 3°50′ Scorpio, while on October 5-6 it is still in Libra. A chart for the document date therefore has a different Sun sign, and everything said below about a Scorpio Sun applies only to the date Lula celebrates.

There is also a version of the time. In a podcast published on October 26, 2022, Lula said he would turn 77 the next day "from 8 o'clock", when the midwife delivered him. Astro-Databank rates this 08:00 on October 27 as A. As the date itself is in doubt, we build no houses on it. Astro-Databank also lists two rectified times, which we do not use: Marcello Borges's 07:03 on October 27 for Caetés and Starkman's 22:12 on October 5.

The chart carries [Rodden rating](/en/methodology#rodden) XX. Vargem Comprida has no precise published coordinates, so the centre of Caetés is used. Astro-Databank places the birth in Ribeirão, about 140 km from Caetés; without a time this changes nothing. The chart is cast for 12:00 at UTC-3; Brazil had no daylight saving time in October 1945. It has no houses, Ascendant or MC, and we give no Moon degree. The Moon's sign is not known either: that day the Moon moved from Cancer into Leo. How we handle charts without a time is explained in the [methodology](/en/methodology#unknown-time).

## Sun and Mercury in Scorpio

On October 27 the Sun is at 3°50′ Scorpio and Mercury at 19°25′ Scorpio. Tradition links Scorpio with depth and endurance. The Sun trines the North Node at 1°50′ Cancer with an orb of 1°59′, a water trine read as will and life path pulling the same way.

Tension comes from the Sun's sesquiquadrate to Uranus at 16°57′ Gemini, orb 1°52′. Tradition gives this minor angle sudden turns (see the [sesquiquadrate](/en/aspects/sesquiquadrate)).

## Mars and Saturn in Cancer

The tightest aspect in the chart, the conjunction of Mars at 25°02′ Cancer and Saturn at 24°48′ Cancer, has an orb of 0°13′. The classical scheme counts Mars in Cancer as in its fall: action here works indirectly, through defending one's own. Tradition reads such a [conjunction](/en/aspects/conjunction) as strength that builds slowly and lasts.

Both planets are tied to Neptune at 7°11′ Libra by quintiles. The quintile of Mars to Neptune has an orb of 0°08′. The quintile of Saturn to Neptune has an orb of 0°22′. Astrologers associate the [quintile](/en/aspects/quintile) with talent and a personal style, here with turning an idea into action.

## A stellium in Libra

Venus at 10°28′ Libra, Jupiter at 13°28′ Libra and Neptune form a [stellium](/en/aspects/patterns/stellium) in Libra. Jupiter is conjunct Chiron at 12°56′ Libra with an orb of 0°31′, Venus is conjunct Jupiter with an orb of 2°59′, and Venus is conjunct Neptune with an orb of 3°17′.

Tradition connects Libra with agreements, the balance of two sides and the need for partners. Jupiter enlarges that theme and Neptune gives it an ideal. Pluto at 11°44′ Leo supports the cluster: Venus sextiles Pluto with an orb of 1°16′, and Jupiter sextiles Pluto with an orb of 1°43′.

## Events often compared with the chart

- October 27, 2002: wins the presidential runoff with 61.3% at his fourth attempt, on the day he celebrates as his birthday.
- April 7, 2018: surrenders to the federal police to begin serving a corruption sentence.
- November 8, 2019: released after 580 days, following a Supreme Court ruling.
- March 8, 2021: Supreme Court justice Edson Fachin annuls his convictions on jurisdiction grounds.
- October 30, 2022: defeats Jair Bolsonaro in the runoff and becomes the first Brazilian president elected to three terms.
- January 1, 2023: sworn in for a third term.

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