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Lula da Silva birth chart: disputed date of birth

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President of Brazil in 2003-2010 and from 2023. Lula and his family celebrate October 27, while his birth registration gives October 5 or 6, so even the date is in doubt and the chart is rated XX.

Birth data

Birth data
Date
Timeunknown
PlaceVargem Comprida, Caetés (then a district of Garanhuns), Pernambuco, Brazil
Coordinates8.7728° S, 36.6228° W
Time zoneBRT, UTC−3
Rodden ratingXX, date in doubt
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Other versions
  • October 6, 1945: The date on the birth certificate. It was drawn up in Santos, where the family moved in 1952, when the mother registered several children at once. The Instituto Lula calls it a clerk's mistake; his brother Frei Chico says their mother, intimidated by the clerk, got the dates mixed up. Sun in Libra, not Scorpio. (Brasil de Fato, 06.10.2019: Conheça a curiosa história sobre a data de aniversário de Lula)
  • 5 October 1945, 22:00: A birth registry entry that Sy Scholfield supplied to Astro-Databank; according to Astro-Databank it was registered only in 1972. No copy is published. Gemini ascendant, Sun in Libra. (Astro-Databank: Lula da Silva, Luiz Inácio)
  • 08:00: The time Lula gave himself in an interview on 26 October 2022, for 27 October. Astro-Databank rates it A, but the date itself is in doubt, so no houses are built on it. Sagittarius ascendant. (O Brasil Pod+, 26.10.2022: Lula e Paulo Vieira)
CheckedOctober 20, 2026

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was born in Vargem Comprida, then a district of Garanhuns and now part of the Caetés municipality in the state of Pernambuco. He went on to lead a metalworkers' union and be elected President of Brazil in 2002, 2006 and 2022. He celebrates his birthday on October 27, 1945, but even that date is in question.

What is known and what is not

There are two birth dates, and they give different Sun signs:

  • October 27, 1945: the date Lula himself gives. According to the PT, his mother always congratulated him on the 27th. Wikidata, CNN and Astro-Databank use it as the main date;
  • October 6, 1945: the date on the birth certificate. The family says the children were registered together in Santos after the move there in 1952. The Instituto Lula, in a post of October 27, 2021, calls the date a clerk's mistake; his brother Frei Chico says their mother, intimidated by the clerk, got the dates mixed up;
  • October 5, 1945, 22:00: a registry entry that the collector Sy Scholfield supplied to Astro-Databank. Astro-Databank says it was registered in 1972, not in the early 1950s as the family recalls. No copy has been published.

The Sun enters Scorpio around October 23-24. On October 27 it stands at 3°50′ Scorpio, while on October 5-6 it is still in Libra. A chart for the document date therefore has a different Sun sign, and everything said below about a Scorpio Sun applies only to the date Lula celebrates.

There is also a version of the time. In a podcast published on October 26, 2022, Lula said he would turn 77 the next day "from 8 o'clock", when the midwife delivered him. Astro-Databank rates this 08:00 on October 27 as A. As the date itself is in doubt, we build no houses on it. Astro-Databank also lists two rectified times, which we do not use: Marcello Borges's 07:03 on October 27 for Caetés and Starkman's 22:12 on October 5.

The chart carries Rodden rating XX. Vargem Comprida has no precise published coordinates, so the centre of Caetés is used. Astro-Databank places the birth in Ribeirão, about 140 km from Caetés; without a time this changes nothing. The chart is cast for 12:00 at UTC-3; Brazil had no daylight saving time in October 1945. It has no houses, Ascendant or MC, and we give no Moon degree. The Moon's sign is not known either: that day the Moon moved from Cancer into Leo. How we handle charts without a time is explained in the methodology.

Sun and Mercury in Scorpio

On October 27 the Sun is at 3°50′ Scorpio and Mercury at 19°25′ Scorpio. Tradition links Scorpio with depth and endurance. The Sun trines the North Node at 1°50′ Cancer with an orb of 1°59′, a water trine read as will and life path pulling the same way.

Tension comes from the Sun's sesquiquadrate to Uranus at 16°57′ Gemini, orb 1°52′. Tradition gives this minor angle sudden turns (see the sesquiquadrate).

Mars and Saturn in Cancer

The tightest aspect in the chart, the conjunction of Mars at 25°02′ Cancer and Saturn at 24°48′ Cancer, has an orb of 0°13′. The classical scheme counts Mars in Cancer as in its fall: action here works indirectly, through defending one's own. Tradition reads such a conjunction as strength that builds slowly and lasts.

Both planets are tied to Neptune at 7°11′ Libra by quintiles. The quintile of Mars to Neptune has an orb of 0°08′. The quintile of Saturn to Neptune has an orb of 0°22′. Astrologers associate the quintile with talent and a personal style, here with turning an idea into action.

A stellium in Libra

Venus at 10°28′ Libra, Jupiter at 13°28′ Libra and Neptune form a stellium in Libra. Jupiter is conjunct Chiron at 12°56′ Libra with an orb of 0°31′, Venus is conjunct Jupiter with an orb of 2°59′, and Venus is conjunct Neptune with an orb of 3°17′.

Tradition connects Libra with agreements, the balance of two sides and the need for partners. Jupiter enlarges that theme and Neptune gives it an ideal. Pluto at 11°44′ Leo supports the cluster: Venus sextiles Pluto with an orb of 1°16′, and Jupiter sextiles Pluto with an orb of 1°43′.

Events often compared with the chart

  • October 27, 2002: wins the presidential runoff with 61.3% at his fourth attempt, on the day he celebrates as his birthday.
  • April 7, 2018: surrenders to the federal police to begin serving a corruption sentence.
  • November 8, 2019: released after 580 days, following a Supreme Court ruling.
  • March 8, 2021: Supreme Court justice Edson Fachin annuls his convictions on jurisdiction grounds.
  • October 30, 2022: defeats Jair Bolsonaro in the runoff and becomes the first Brazilian president elected to three terms.
  • January 1, 2023: sworn in for a third term.

These dates are starting points for your own work with transits. We do not make predictions about the health, court cases or future careers of living people.

Planet positions

PlanetSignDegree
SunScorpio3°50′
MoonCancer or Leo23°27′ - 6°38′
MercuryScorpio19°25′
VenusLibra10°28′
MarsCancer25°02′
JupiterLibra13°28′
SaturnCancer24°48′
UranusRGemini16°57′
NeptuneLibra7°11′
PlutoLeo11°44′
North NodeCancer1°50′
ChironLibra12°56′

Calculation: Swiss Ephemeris 2.10.03.

Aspects

AspectOrbAspect phase
Mars conjunction Saturn0°13′separating
Jupiter conjunction Chiron0°31′separating
Pluto sextile Chiron1°12′separating
Venus sextile Pluto1°16′applying
Jupiter sextile Pluto1°43′separating
Sun trine North Node1°59′separating
Venus conjunction Chiron2°28′applying
Venus conjunction Jupiter2°59′applying
Venus conjunction Neptune3°17′separating
Jupiter trine Uranus3°29′applying
Uranus trine Chiron4°01′applying
Neptune sextile Pluto4°33′applying

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in other systems

Aspect patterns and fixed stars

Patterns are found from the aspects in the table above, stars by a conjunction within 1°.

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Author: Lilia and the AstroWay teamUpdated: